Thread: Hogwarts vs SWAT team and Predators

Addendum: Commisar, the students are highly highly unlikely to keep a clear head.* They went into a state of absolute panic when the Troll got into the dungeon.* This was a creature that was slow, stupid, incapable of offensive ranged capacity, and was defeated by being knocked over to head one by its own club and overcome by a ten year old.* How in Heavne's name do you think they'll react to watching a SWAT team member aim a 12 gauge at a fellow student, and then watch as the individual's entire upper body desintigrates into an expanding could of blood and meat and splashes all over them.* Not overly well I'd bet.

As bad as this is, though, there have been worse Hogwarts vs. threads in the vs forum. We've seen Harry and company be put up against the 501st Clone Trooper legion, the Master-Freaking-Chief, Raziel, and some particurally sick individual put the school up against a Bolo. A [b][u]Bolo!.*

For those of you unfamiliar with this weapon, imagine, if you will, a 32,000 metric ton tank that is sentient, powered by a super-AI that has a reaction time measured in nanoseconds (read, several million times that of a human) hacking capabilities, flight, a top speed of about 300 kilometers per hour, an offensive weapons range measured in tens of thousands of miles (there is one recorded instance of a Bolo Mrk 33 getting into a shootout with an orbiting battle cruiser that was more than 50,000 kilometers above it) and has the weapon power and defensive shielding and armor to get into a nuclear shooting war with every nation on Earth and win.

There's so many points there I could answer but unfortunely I don't have time... so I'll pick a few:

Potter had the benefit of being able to concentrate in pure silence for the period of time required for his firebolt ot reach him.* He did not have hot lead flying past his face, or flashbangs roaring, or the haunting image of his friend?s last moments as said friend was turned into a pile of meat by NATO rounds.* Wizard kills are clean, muggle weapons anything but, and wizards are not known for keeping a cool head under fire.

He had a Dragon about to flame him alive! I'd say that was a similar circumstance to being in a firefight.

Aiming for the dork in the funky robes is going to be a pure give away.

A disalusionmentcharm makes you invisible...

1.* The Death Eaters are never, under any circumstances, stated to outnumber Aurors.*
2.* Their subterfuge training is obviously not very effective, given how Moldiwart was able to casually infiltrate all positions of the government not once, but twice in the book series.

There is never any suggestion that the Aurors are in any more numerous than a 2 dozen at the most. They share their office space with half a dozen other departments, so it's not as if there's an army of them.

I was more referring to their ability to infiltrate rather than counter-infiltratation. We know that their training included complete human transfiguration - they could also just use Tonks on a inflitration mission.

Based on that and the fact we know people such as Kingsley were in high places they would have been able to take control of the top of at least the UK government - which is all they would require to have SWAT recalled out of the country. There are otherways to win wars apart from shear firepower you know

Originally Posted by General Naga

There's so many points there I could answer but unfortunely I don't have time... so I'll pick a few:


He had a Dragon about to flame him alive! I'd say that was a similar circumstance to being in a firefight.

Reread the book. The Dragon took zero actions towards or against Potter until after the broom had been summoned and he had approached it.* It was not spitting flame blasts at him as he summoned his means of transportation.

A disalusionmentcharm makes you invisible...

I know this.* However, it is never once used in a Potterverse combat scene, and we know per the Author herself that POtterverse invisibility does not block infrared (which is why Naggy could see Harry and company even under the 'perfect' invisibility cloak). Infrared vision goggles are so common that you can purchase them at a surplus store for about 5-600 dollars American, and they are standard issue to SWAT teams.*

Predators naturally see in this spectrum, and also possess at least a half dozen others thanks to their helmets.

There is never any suggestion that the Aurors are in any more numerous than a 2 dozen at the most. They share their office space with half a dozen other departments, so it's not as if there's an army of them.

Even if they do number in such a tiny amount (in which case I was far too generous to them in the scenario) there is no evidence they ever got into a large scale slugging match with the DEs.*

I was more referring to their ability to infiltrate rather than counter-infiltratation. We know that their training included complete human transfiguration - they could also just use Tonks on a inflitration mission.

And we have reason to suspect that Tonks will be able to effortlessly infiltrate any serious muggle operation on what grounds?

Based on that and the fact we know people such as Kingsley were in high places they would have been able to take control of the top of at least the UK government - which is all they would require to have SWAT recalled out of the country. There are otherways to win wars apart from shear firepower you know

Who said they had to be out of the country?* I don't recall that I did.* Mere at an undisclosed location, and as soon as word of this gets out, you'll see a level of paranoia that will make the McCarthy era look like schoolyard gossip.

Reread the book. The Dragon took zero actions towards or against Potter until after the broom had been summoned and he had approached it.* It was not spitting flame blasts at him as he summoned his means of transportation.

Irrelevant of it was actually going to flame him or not he did have a Dragon infront of him. That's a pretty terrifying experience - unless you have evidence to say otherwise...

I know this.* However, it is never once used in a Potterverse combat scene, and we know per the Author herself that POtterverse invisibility does not block infrared (which is why Naggy could see Harry and company even under the 'perfect' invisibility cloak). Infrared vision goggles are so common that you can purchase them at a surplus store for about 5-600 dollars American, and they are standard issue to SWAT teams.

Naggy?

Predators naturally see in this spectrum, and also possess at least a half dozen others thanks to their helmets.

I don't know enough about Predator to continue countering the arguements. Nor do I suspect any of us do.

Even if they do number in such a tiny amount (in which case I was far too generous to them in the scenario) there is no evidence they ever got into a large scale slugging match with the DEs.

True but that would be because the death eaters didn't go in for pitched battles. They were unhappy at fighting the Order of the Pheonix. Remember that the Aurors did respond on mass* to Dumbledore's message to them in book 5.

And we have reason to suspect that Tonks will be able to effortlessly infiltrate any serious muggle operation on what grounds?

She would be capable of taking on an exact appearance down to their eye color and iris and she could have first captured whoever it was who had access to what she needed and used truth potion to obtain any information that she needed. They would even tell he any passwords/security checks and how to get pass them if asked.

Who said they had to be out of the country?* I don't recall that I did.* Mere at an undisclosed location, and as soon as word of this gets out, you'll see a level of paranoia that will make the McCarthy era look like schoolyard gossip.

If the PM's office said they had to leave, they would leave... after all they have their own wizarding schools to attack.

Originally Posted by General Naga

Irrelevant of it was actually going to flame him or not he did have a Dragon infront of him. That's a pretty terrifying experience - unless you have evidence to say otherwise...

Quite relevant.* TThere is nothing to indicate that Potter was shaking with fright or the like. The dragon remained still, the crowd quiet. That is nothing like a modern battlefield or firefight.

Naggy?

Moldiewart's pet snake.

I don't know enough about Predator to continue countering the arguements. Nor do I suspect any of us do.

Just try to imagine a creature of nigh supernatural durability that makes a habit of stalking the galaxies most dangerous creatures while virtually naked for sport, and who cut their teeth slaughtering Human spec ops teams.

True but that would be because the death eaters didn't go in for pitched battles. They were unhappy at fighting the Order of the Pheonix. Remember that the Aurors did respond on mass* to Dumbledore's message to them in book 5.

The same DUmbledoor that hteir boss repeatedly railroaded?*

She would be capable of taking on an exact appearance down to their eye color and iris and she could have first captured whoever it was who had access to what she needed and used truth potion to obtain any information that she needed.

Simply because she can change her appearance does not mean she can automatically infiltrate government positions, especially given that the wizards appear to know virtually nothing about Muggle society.

They would even tell he any passwords/security checks and how to get pass them if asked.

And she's going to get this information how? Truth serum? No evidence she has access to it. Unforgivable curse? Not going to happen.*

This doesn't even begin to go into the possibility, or more probably, the certainty that there will be defectors (likely among the muggle borns) who are tired of putting up with the **** they get from the government.

If the PM's office said they had to leave, they would leave... after all they have their own wizarding schools to attack.

Are you honestly this ignorant of modern geo-politics? Simply because they're leaving doesn't men they have to 1. leave the wizards behind 2. take them past legitimate customs or legal authorities.* The wizards will be interrogated, broken psychologically, and then probably disposed of.

The only way this could be more of a curbstomp would be if instead of a modern SWAT team, you sent in a Crysis Delta Team.*